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The ‘Clean Energy’ Stalking Horse

Weekly Standard -- They’re not calling it a carbon tax or cap and trade. But make no mistake, the national “clean energy” mandate introduced earlier this month by Senator Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) and eight cosponsors entails both a tax and a trading measure.

Bingaman’s legislation has the apparent support of the White House. A day after the bill was introduced, Nat Keohane, a special assistant to the president for energy and the environment, called it “an important step towards the president’s goal of doubling clean energy by 2035.”

By 2035, the bill requires that at least 84 percent of all electricity in the United States be produced from “clean energy” sources. Put another way, coal will be limited to no more than 16 percent of domestic electricity generation. That’s a drastic reduction given that coal-fir


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honda0105
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2012 6:05:36 AM

no reason we couldn't have more and more diverse renewable energy sources.
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223 days until the ejection.
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Scary.
tomok
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2012 3:29:02 AM

Renewable and 'clean energy': Solar, wind, hydro, thermal, tidal, nuclear.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
12/22/2012!
MattieDale
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2012 12:29:13 AM

Since most homes in the the north in cities rely on natural gas, we are going to use more and drive up home heating costs. All these electric cars have to get there power from somewherem so lets put more demand on an overtaxed national grid. Whoops! there goes the cost of electricity. I retire in just under 5 years... I am looking strongly at living off the grid.
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2012 12:09:56 AM

It makes sense and what's more important is that we are already falling behind in getting on board with renewables. It is going to cost us as a nation big time of we don't get going with renewables.
regout
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2012 12:09:19 AM

Very interesting.
Thomtec
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2012 12:05:12 AM

The Democratic Party has lost America. They have no chance at redemption and must be left in the waste bin of history.
wonderlander
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2012 12:02:00 AM

interesting
jamieg2012
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:57:54 PM

what we need is no carbon tax credits and other crap designed to let you pollute higher than normal and buy from non polluters just so you can

also take away the subsidies they give to oil and use it to develop realistic clean technology and have it made from clean technology in the reasonable future so we can even get away from coal and nuclear for electricity

they say nuclear is clean but the spent radioactive rods have to be buried for decades before it deteriorates to save radiation levels
gatekeepertwo
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:56:55 PM

can't be done
LanguageMan1
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:55:31 PM

As I've said in the past, I'll say it again: "It won't be good!" I'm all for clean energy, just not the way they intend to do it or want to, as it's going to drive prices of most everything even higher still.

They're estimation for increases in energy costs, whether electricity or not, is way too low and will be much higher than they're claiming. It won't be pretty.

[Edited by: LanguageMan1 at 3/25/2012 11:58:06 PM EST]
NGEFE
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:54:57 PM

Hahaha and what politician wants to NOT get re-elected this year?
Lizzylou
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:54:31 PM

JUST WHAT WE DON'T NEED MORE GAS TAXES!!!
tidalwave3
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:53:18 PM

Sounds sneaky to me :(
ModelWarships
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:52:31 PM

Cap and Trade is a joke.
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:47:29 PM

greay
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:46:40 PM

Which will rais the price of gas!
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Need a change in Washington.
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:43:52 PM

Regardless of what fluffy name they put on it, stay far, far away from Cap & Tax.

What's in a name? that which we call a rose
     By any other name would smell as sweet;

An Obama called by any other name is still a Hussein.

BHO & Co.

What's in a name? that which we call a traitor
     By any other name would destroy us all;

.
mrsmagoo2010
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:41:48 PM

I am against anything that the white house supports, the white house has no real interest in helping the common man, at least not this white house.
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:40:39 PM

More illegal tax.
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:40:27 PM

As soon as the new guy takes the oath of office. All of these crack pot ideas of Oboma's will be pitched in the wood burning stove to make clean energy. That big bill they sneaked in on all of us. The Oboma-care thing.... That should light up Washingto for weeks...Maybe months.
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Dems are socialist here.
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:39:34 PM

really?
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:38:40 PM

ok
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ok
ED6
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:35:04 PM

Must be blowing smoke.
30mpg80
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:34:45 PM

Article claims electricity price would rise average 29 % by 2035. 29% divided by 23 years equals 1.26% per year. That sounds mighty good!
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:33:36 PM

a national standard / framework will coordinate all the other improvements.
feistyfella
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:32:54 PM

Ninja like.
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:32:12 PM

most countries the Dems are comunist
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:31:36 PM

Ok
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:31:14 PM

time to vote them out!
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:29:04 PM

We have enough taxes.
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Clean energy is a good idea. Not at the expense of the economy.
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:23:30 PM

Is this realistic? I think not.
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It's not a law.
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I shake my head at this.
whatif81
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:15:11 PM

ok
smoketown
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:13:56 PM

.
JesseJack52
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:12:25 PM

Interesting
granitestater
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:12:08 PM

More Democratic crap...
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ok
mstearno
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We'll be living in tents by then
Pumpz
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2012 11:11:39 PM

Yes, phthisin, the record low temperatures in Alaska, Russia, and Europe this winter sure convinced me that "global warming" is happening! Annual seasonal temperatures have varied widely throughout history, so whenever variations continue it must be ..... "global warming!" :)
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k
judgemobile
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Solyndra, Solyndra, Solyndra...did I forget to mention SOLYNDRA ??
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ok
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Donkey..,
abcdMA
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an idea whose time has not come
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